compo ?

ok i guess it's going to be time for a new compo

any suggestions concerning the rules ?

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mp3 or psy? mp3 would make it more about the track, psy more about the technique, which could get a bit dry....

I'm up for joining in this time, but more with some mp3/ogg action.

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like PSY more

OdO

.psy would be fair. It's the better way to judge every song, every music composer with no difference because of plugins.
But i would appreciate that we do NOT limit the playing time and the size of the song.
and maybe we can create a compo pack, containing some free VST plugins...

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I agree on all the points heatseeker has said.

The compo is made to promote the usage of psycle and what it offers out of the box. From here, the limitation to use only native plugins.
The limitation for samples (except drums,fx, and voices) goes in the same direction.

Probably, we shouldn't have a time limit, neither a filesize limit, but, for the first, doing a song larger than 7minutes for a compo, might get a bit stressfull for the listener, and the size limit is more on the idea of easy downloading, since what you can use is already limited.

Using external programs (masterization) is not fair, since we are trying to get the best out of psycle, not out of other programs.

Also, the compo serves another cause: increasing the number of .psy's, so one can listen, and learn if necessary. In other words, it is a feedback to psycle itself :·P :·)

Finally, including a set of VST's might not be that unfair, but the decision on which to choose might become difficult.

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Definitely, thats a bad idea - its got to be all or nothing

Regarding making an mp3 competition - you would have to restrict it to using psycle only, no outside editing. I disagree that it wouldnt be fair - you wouldnt be listening to plugins, you would be listening to a track or a song. If someone just did a preset demo then.. I wouldnt vote for them, and I hope no one else would

It comes down to how good a track you can make, using whatever you have available. I'm voting, let rip, and lets see what people can do using everything thats available online.

You could also restrict it to freeware plugins..?

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Last edited by bdzld on 01.02.2003, 15:04 o'clock.

If this is a true competition then from the outset it has to be a fair competition other wise it's fixed from the outset.

Apart from the listeners Vote on 'download count' that psy is the much preferred format it's also a 100% unique to psycle format.

Mp3 being fine for easy listening for fans, but not of a professional artists quality and this would be an artists compo with songs made by and to the bigger extent voted by the artists.so seeing as well as hearing how the song is produced is the only way a true and definite 'made with psycle' song can be judged.

Samples are a medium that are used in many pro songs and it's pretty easy to sample a wave of your favourite shareware/commercial VST and add it to psycle using the sampler,though samples can greatly increase the psy. size & they can take out any originality if over used.So maybe the only size limit should be on any samples that are used.

Because freeware Vst's whatever your situation give everyone the right to use them, and many developers also allow them to be freely exchanged for non-money-profit sharing and some 'love' their instruments to be used.Allowing maybe a certain number to be used would make the compo more fun to do for the artists and more educational & interesting to listen for the listener/artists.

So with the above in mind here's what I feel would be a fair yet not too restrictive guidelines for a compo.

Only psy format though any samples of instruments,loops etc, can be used up to a limit of 2Mb.(2mb being a guideline so if a song has 0.1mb over this limit allowance can be made.

Any 'freeware ( free2share) Vst's can be used and included to a maximum of...?of..... say 4, 4 in total both vts & vsti's,though any number of instances of the Vst's chosen.

Theirs not many big file sized freeware Vst's so this with the sample guideline of 2mb should keep the songs to a reasonable size,approx kb-3mb,well smaller than their mp3 versions anyhow.

I guess it comes down too what is the psycle competition about,the best song made by any means or the best song made by the fairest means to all those who take part.

If the former applies then it's not a competition because everyone has already lost.

If the latter applies then it's a nice and simply structured 'made with psycle' competition' for all to have a fair chance of being voted for their musical talent not voted for because they can afford the big new expensive music software, that nearly makes the song for you.

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Definitely, thats a bad idea - its got to be all or nothing

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Dude! if the above statements is accurate then mp3 would have to be nothing,because it's certainly not' Full Wave', or All, is it.

So I guess mp3 would be a middle ground,certainly not a nothing yet not quite a full because it's a lossy compression and takes vibration out to reduce size.

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Regarding making an mp3 competition - you would have to restrict it to using psycle only, no outside editing. I disagree that it wouldnt be fair - you wouldnt be listening to plugins, you would be listening to a track or a song. If someone just did a preset demo then.. I wouldnt vote for them, and I hope no one else would

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As JAZ said: "Also, the compo serves another cause: increasing the number of .psy's, so one can listen, and learn if necessary. In other words, it is a feedback to psycle itself ".

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Sorry, I missed that. Native is clearly what you need. I'll shut up now heh

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Perhaps a 2 category compo: Open and Native-only entries.

The first two compos really gave the community a good impression of what can be done with Psycle's Native plugins. My suggestion would keep the old compo style as a category, while introducing a second category, with the following changes:

Open up the samples to all types, and allow up to 5 Freeware VST/VSTi's. Increase the size limit from 1.5mb uncompressed, to 2mb Zipped. Links to VST resources must be packaged with the file, or disqualification would occur.

This second category would promote Psycle's usage as an all-in-one expandable solution for trackers, whereas the original compo category would be maintained, as a ahowcase to the power of the native plugins.

Of course, unmodified MP3 and OGG files should still be allowed ALONGSIDE the release of the PSY entry, in case we have another hulking mass that brings most computers to their knees.

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I thought you beat the inevitability of death to death, just a little bit...

Mmmmm... could be...

I am not sure we have enough users for two compos, but we could try :·P

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How about a vote? I'm willing to bet that one of the reasons turnout in the past has been low was because people were limited to Psycle-only stuff.

Then again, only 4 people have released .PSY songs since the last compo, so you could be right...

We need to promote Psycle a little better... It gets the odd mention over at UT, but it isn't nearly as popular as Buzz or MadTracker... Which is odd, because I think Psycle is better than them both...

And over at Maz-Sound, Psycle hasn't been updated since last April... Perhaps someone should drop him a line, an MAYBE we'll get a TOP rating from him... I mean, TraxVox has a top rating from him, why don't we? I'll leave this for someone on the dev team, as you can probably hype the technical side of things a bit better than us end-user folk

Perhaps we need subliminal messages?

!woN elcysP daolnwoD !dlrow eht ni rekcart tseb eht si elcysP

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Last edited by bdzld on 04.02.2003, 18:43 o'clock.

about the compo

Mabye only Mda Plugins vsti and vst

there not so big and easy to download for every one

Odo

I don't think we should limit VSTs just to mda plugins. I prefer that ppl could use any free VST. A link to VST's download site should be included in the song info page, or something.

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Pik - the master of short and unclear messages.

i was just wondering : it might be a good idea to have a preset compo !

we really need more presets for Psycle machines, it could be a nice way to get some good ones and have an original compo....

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I don't think we could have enough entries for two compós at the same time.

I would be all for even a 100% Psycle compo with no samples (now that would force people to get away from the usual dance-styles and stretch their imagination a bit), but sadly that would probably be a bit too elite and hardcore for most people

I also would like a full blown compo with no restrictions, just to see who of us does music that pleases the most people

Preset compo is a good idea. That would be SO useful for inexperienced sound programmers since most people aren't very good at doing sounds themselves in the beginning. (heck, it took me many years to really get a intuitive touch with sound programming, and I'm sure there's much more to learn still...)

And I'm a bit disappointed that people don't post their PSY's here, I always post mince, since I know that for other artists it's always great fun to see how other people do things.

So my suggestion:
A .psy competition with no size limit for the song, but maybe some length limit (even something like 4 minutes would be fine for a compo song imho) and samples only limited to percussion & vocals/speech. I doubt anybody uses THAT many percussion sounds usually, and OTOH (as we have seen<g> speech samples can take a surprisingly large amount of space

And I would very much like to see a PSY with good vocals sometime

-Kim

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