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Oceanroc
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Hi guys

I have been using Psycle for some time now and I have a serious question? Can Psycle be used to make my tracks sound professional grade in terms of loudness and clarity. I recently released this track on Soundcloud, can you give me any suggestions and how I could polish it? I am still relatively inexperienced when it comes to mixing and mastering. Here is the track https://soundcloud.com/oceanroc/creptile

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Tried to post earlier, but the forum broke.

Try not to pan the rhythm stuff all to one ear, it is /really/ distracting on headphones and makes one channel way louder than the others.

Try to always know which instrument should be the focus and bring it to the front of the mix. Everything was about in the same place in the mix and I couldn't tell where the focus was.

Consider using instruments that blend more. Right now all of the instruments feel too separated.

Although people talk about carving out frequency ranges for things this piece needs the opposite, there are too big of gaps between the instruments where nothing is happening.


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Hey Oceanroc

of cause U can use it "to make your tracks sound professional grade" ... if you do create your songs in psycle or you do import the tracks (instruments&co) via the sampler ...

I do suppose you try to give your sounds more push by pushing the loudness 2 the limit. try 2 play around whith some EQs to give them more push ... compressors are good working tools too but you can destroy the dynamic of a track ...

you can find online every basic information about finding your sound ... [I am not a pro, so I would not give anyone help about using effects or how to do a mastering ... ]

lg alex

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"Professional" heavily depends on who's hearing your tracks and what gear you have.
Like: the average listener probably says "wow, pro track!" when you manage to get all stuff in your song audible to him. A Mastering Engineer most likely says "WTF? That's crap!"
Its also a question how trained your ears are.

Anyways.. Granted im not a pro and havent done any track in years, here's some suggestion i can give you:

Center low ends. A bassdrum and bassline most likely doesnt need any room in the stereo field.

Cut out frequencies. For example: your bassdrum doesnt need any high frequencies, unless it got a remarkable snap or whatever on it. Same for your high-hats. Some of the free loops, samples or whatever you may get have some low end freq's attached. You actually dont need them.

Dont overdue effects. Being a delay and reverb junkie myself, i often overdo it. But its healthier for your mix to not do so. NEVER use a global reverb on your track. It washes out everything you maybe have worked hard for.

Dont overuse panning, unless you really wanna do the next classical masterpiece. Panning is a nice thing to seperate instruments, but having that annoying cowbell for 5 mins straight on your left ear sucks.

Finally,: The loudness:

There's a VERY thin line between being "loud enough" and ruining your track.
While its a "standard" these days being as "loud" as possible, you can fuck up a whole track with overdoing it.
Pushing loudness to its limit, can mean your track losses all dynamics you maybe pushed your effort into.

So all i can suggest is, listen to your track on as many gear possible. Headphones while doing it, Stereo, cellphone, car, kitchen radio, laptop and even the sound next door.

Final thing: Listen to your track in mono. Effects may cancel out freq's and the mofo great pad you just created isnt audible at all. If it sound good in mono, it sounds even better in Stereo. Hint: Many clubs have a MONO setup on speakers.

And yes, all that can be achieved right in Psycle, granted you have the right plugins. Be 'em bought or "found"

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Final thing: Listen to your track in mono. Effects may cancel out freq's and the mofo great pad you just created isnt audible at all. If it sound good in mono, it sounds even better in Stereo.

An essential tip !
And this goes the same with low volume : if you can hear everything and it sounds good at low volume, it will sound even better at high volume


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I usually mix in mono mode first. If it sounds good in mono, it will rock in stereo. To do this it is great to have an effect to separate both the mid signal (mono) and the side information from the stereo wave to work both signals separately. You must to encode first the stereo R/L signal into a M/S signal, work them separately and lately encode the modified M/S into the R/L signal. A nice plugin to encode/decode M/S is MSED by Voxengo. A spectrum analyzer will be of help too (SPAN can show you mid/side information too).


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thanks everyone. This board is the only place I can turn for advice online....

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Hello Oceanroc.

THe best advise, which i`ve got from an Audio-Engineer is, you do not have to invent the wheel again, simply take a track you like and know in good quality and try to sound exactly the same. (frequency-wise of course)

Helped me a lot.


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Another good place to get advice about mixing/mastering stuff is over at SDCompo. I have learned a ton from the people over there and they are all super nice.


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