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Helllo! I compose on psycle and I'd like to add my guitar in recording it in real time with the other tracks, is it possible? Thanks!


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sadly nope that i know. This has been asked lot of times... I WANT TOO

Someone asked for a VST that could do it but i still haven't found the way to do this

It would rock!!


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Someone on KVR told me to try those free audio recorders :
Voxengo Audio Recorder
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1562.html

TobyBear Channel Grabber
http://www.tobybear.de/p_utilbag.html

SilverSpike TapeIt
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/758.html

not tried yet but if it works, i will tell you Vince


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YES, YES, Tell me!!


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i've never actually used them, but i'm pretty sure those vst recorders can only record what they're handed through a vst bus. it's sort of like the 'save each master input to a different file' setting in the wav-save dialog, except you can be more specific about things.

it would be really nice to have a record function in the wave editor (not to mention an audio input machine).. but for now, as long as you have a full-duplex sound card (and, really, who doesn't these days?), you can always record in an external wave editor while psycle is playing. if you don't already have one, you can pick up audacity for free at http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

if you're recording straight from the beginning of your song, with no intro, you might find it handy to insert a sort of metronome pattern at the very start of the sequencer list.. just put a hihat or something on every major row. that'll also give you time to switch windows and get your instrument ready.

hope this helps!

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Thanks Dw for the tip good way for sure but when the guitar is recorded, I suppose you have to make some cut on the guitar sample to synchronyse with psycle, or have you got a means to synchronyse without cutting the sample?


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yes, you'll likely want to clip the recording into regions.. psycle, like most trackers, was designed for triggering samples, not streaming audio tracks, so unlike eg cubase, if you trigger a song-length sample at the beginning of your song, you will only hear it when you play the song from the beginning.. which will get pretty annoying as your song gets longer.

depending on the kind of audio you're recording, you can opt to either slice the wave into equal-length (i.e. one-measure) chunks, or different-sized samples that trigger at the beginning of individual notes or riffs. the second option makes more sense for recordings with a lot of empty space, but it's also a little bit more work to reassemble back into your pattern.. its really a matter of personal taste more than anything.

either way, most wave editors have features to make the process easier. in soundforge for example, you can split a track into regions, and automatically extract each region into individual, numbered wav files.. you can split it into equal-length chunks by specifying a tempo, or you can use the automagic region-detection to split it based on note or riff start.

in audacity, you can do essentially the same thing using a label track, but afaik the selection process isn't automated, only the extraction. (to select even measures, just calculate how many ms are in one measure [take 60 / your bpm to get the secs per beat, and multiply that by the number of beats per measure], and 'leapfrog' the selection for each section, watching the status bar to be sure its the right length.)

the whole process really is easier than it may sound, and it's worth the effort to be able to mix live audio tracks with all the routing flexibility of psycle..

anyways, good luck

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two more small hints for anyone trying to do this:

a lot of times, especially for more 'expressive' audio tracks, when slicing it up into samples, you'll think you know exactly where the audio should start, but you'll be off by just a few ms, and you won't know until after you've already chopped everything up. try wavwriting a rough draft (even just a drumline) of the song you're syncing with, and play it together with your recording, so you can fudge around with the beginning of the audio track to make sure it syncs up well-- not just at the start but also several measures in. this one step can potentially save you a lot of unnecessary work in the end..

if you discover that the first note of your audio track needs to be a little bit earlier than the song start, add a beat or two worth of silence to the rough-draft mixdown, and sync the recording with that.. this way, when you're integrating it with your song, you can add a two-beat long intro pattern to accomodate the early notes without having to worry about changing the tempo or anything like that.

and finally: make absolutely sure you're perfectly happy with your song's tempo before recording audio along with it. once you start working with pseudo-live audio tracks, you forfeit any possibility of fudging the tempo to improve the feel of your song-- so play around with slightly different tempos before you start, to make sure it's exactly where you want it to be.

sorry if some of this advice seems a little bit obvious.. i'm just trying to help people avoid all the issues i had to deal with in my first attempts.

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Thanks for your help dw!
I just thought about a way to synchronise directly your recorded with psycle, first make your song with psycle, then render as wav, open with a sequencer (eg cubase), record your guitar in it with ear-phones, in playback mode, then save only the track that contains your guitar, and open with psycle, normally it will be syncronised, I'll try it as soon as I've got my computer , and if it doesn't work I 'll use your way dw


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sure, i suppose that could potentially save you a mouse click or two

for tracks of any significant length, though, you're still gonna need to slice it into separate samples. remember, the recording will be the right tempo either way-- the purpose of this step isn't for synchronization as much as it is for editing convenience.

for example, if you have a guitar sample that's four patterns long, you -could- keep it whole and just put the note-on at the beginning of the first pattern.. but then, when you're trying to perfect the bassline or something in the fourth pattern, you won't be able to hear how the two tracks sound together without starting the entire section over. personally, i get frustrated with any samples longer than about 32 rows or so, depending on the tempo.. i like to work fast, and i need my software to keep up with my brain

btw, don't try to use cubase's wave editor to extract regions.. you'll just end up yelling at your monitor and writing angry emails to steinberg or something. trust me

p.s. don't forget to share your song when you're done!

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when you're trying to perfect the bassline or something in the fourth pattern, you won't be able to hear how the two tracks sound together without starting the entire section over. personally, i get frustrated with any samples longer than about 32 rows or so, depending on the tempo.. i like to work fast, and i need my software to keep up with my brain



You're right! didn't think of that , will try your technique


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it works! Here ( http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?songs=512588&T=4426 ) you can listen two remixes I've done with psycle, so long, Vince


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Thank you dw!

Btw, if anyone has heard my song Fast (Bring on the night), i must say that i recorded my electric guitar and later i wanted the song a bit more fast. It was possible (with the same recorded wav) using Wavelab's timestretching effect
...but yes, that's not the most 'clever' way of doing it.


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yeah timestretch is a very very useful efffect


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