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dilvie
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A bunch of RIAA cronies are trying to destroy fair use, and make it illegal to sample anything, no matter how small.
Sampling is an important art-form, and has been used time and again in musical political speech. It's a vital tool in the protection of democracy. Let's make some noise.
Go here for more details:
http://www.downhillbattle.org/3notes/
I'm running a contest here:
http://forums.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=6111
Get in on the fun. You don't have to live anywhere in particular to participate.
- Eric
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sampler
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anything? that includes me playing my guitar? 
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Am i going to be the same next year???? Will i use Psycle next years?? 
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FingerSoup
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It was a previous precedence in US Law that if you sample SOMEONE ELSE'S recording without permission, that so long as the sample's source was relatively unidentifiable, then the sample was legal. This is no longer the case with this ruling.
For instance, if I sampled a single guitar note from, lets say, George Clinton, I am breaking US copyright law. Even if the sampled note is a tenth of a second long, has been stretched to 10 seconds long, distortion added, pitch shifted, compressed, reversed, phased, flanged, echoed then recorded to an 8-track tape and pissed on, (In other words, to the human ear, it could have come from anywhere) the fact that you've originally sampled the note from someone else, without gaining permission first, is a violation of copyright law.
So if someone else sampled a recording of you playing your guitar without your permission, they'd be breaking copyright law in the US, no matter how much they sampled, or how much they edited it.
It's a shitty decision, to be sure.
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I thought you beat the inevitability of death to death, just a little bit...
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so here's the opportunity to go properly underground,
fancy that, making illegal music....coooool....
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FingerSoup
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Technically this would fall under a seperate fair use clause - That of Protest.
US Copyright law is messed up...
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liquid boy
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i have a question about that... if a sample is unidentifiable (or is simply a 'hit' like a single snare hit or something) - how are they going to police that? if you cant tell it belongs to someone else, how the heck are the riaa going to tell? 
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TranceMyriad
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exactly....very hard to police....haven't they got better things to do than to do petty stuff like this i.e. chasing up large scale CD forgers or something...reminds me of the record companies that were trying to prevent radio DJs from talking over the top of their tracks....which ends up aiding people who want to copy off the radio, coz they get the whole track without talking at the beginning or end....in the end, cutting down sampling will affect record companies coz they'll get less business and less up and coming talent because people are unwilling to pay money for samples.....of course, the situation is much more complicated than that, obviously....but you get the idea....
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Taika-Kim
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So, let's have the sampling compo I've always wanted!
How about a rule that only samples from music CDs are allowed? That would force people to stretch their imagination a bit...
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FingerSoup
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I like the constraints of 3 Notes and Runnin'. Really rub it in the US Government's face by using NOTHING BUT the 2 seconds of sampled material that broke down the law... Good political edge to that... The only thing I don't like is the 30 second limit.
On a side note, Dilvie - I've posted this over at UT because of the implications it has on tracking... Is your compo open to everyone, or just Psyclers?
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I see from your link that the contest is open to all producers of music over at utrave.
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I thought you beat the inevitability of death to death, just a little bit...
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DMNXS
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quote:
Original by Taika-Kim
[...]How about a rule that only samples from music CDs are allowed? That would force people to stretch their imagination a bit...
That'd be cool  .
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liquid boy
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well, ive uploaded my 30 second track here, if people want to have a listen.. its called "nobody said it would be funny" - geocities is having a bit of trouble atm... i accidently uploaded the mp3.. but re uploaded the psy file... - still wants to downlod the mp3 file... dunno whats happening there...
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TranceMyriad
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downloaded the .psy.....well...the sample is certainly unrecogniseable....and it does sound kinda cool....further proof that the law is stupid...glad we dont' have it in Australia....yet, anyway....
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