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DMNXS




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Ummmmm...

Well, better Psycle than a 60 MB download (all machines). I wanted to try out Buzz a looooong time ago, but, well, lost interest. Of course, technically, Buzz is better. but I don't want to have to watch out for machine updates .

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No need to get nasty, buddy... If you want a piano roll, there are several programs which have them. Cakewalk products, FL Studio, Orion have them. So get one of those and quit your whining! Or install Linux and use one of those sequencers! Or better yet, code one yourself!

We should be grateful that we have Psycle to begin with! After all, it's free. It's stable (just gotta be careful which plugins ya use). It has autosave, so that's a plus. I recently made the switch back to Psycle from Cakewalk Home Studio 2002. I constantly found myself editing what I recorded into that sequencer. Quantizing every single thing I did! I finally asked myself, why? If I never go past a 32nd note (and those are rare anyway), why not just use my precious Oxygen8 to record the values into a tracker? Recording with velocity sensitivity keeps it "real" sounding without becoming sloppy. Working that way, tracking is ultra fast - keeping creativity strong...

Buzz's MIDI input doesn't work like tracking, it's real time, besides, Buzz core development is totally dead. All the other VST trackers aren't free. Renoise, the latest Aodix (75 Euros - gimme a break!), and the other Buzz clones in progress aren't free. So in that respect, Psycle rocks! And come on, it supports ASIO! Thank god for ASIO4ALL, huh?

So yeah, a piano roll would be nice (and would actually give Aodix 4 a run for its money), but certainly not necessary. Even if development stopped now (oh, please dont stop!!!), we'd still have a kickass tool at our disposal.

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A post after 363 days :rofl: .

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haha, that's the longest time for a comeback that i've ever seen lol....


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Has it been that long?

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quote:
Original by FingerSoup
[QUOTE]Original by Taika-Kim

How about being able to eliminate the dividing horizontal lines in the pattern view and being able to then drag the notes around horizontally?
The lines could be handled just like snap grid maybe?

This would easily allow for great resolution, and would make recording stuff from keyboards, pads etc much more easy.
Percussion patterns could be made much more lively, etc...




This would essentially kick every song song into LPB=32, wouldn't it? In effect, wouldn't it be harder to pinpoint the timing you want?

I'm all for more natural sounding music, but at what cost?

What I've started experimenting with (for guitar strums anyways) is inputing the basic structure at LPB=4, and then, once the song is finished in structure, Jack the LPB up to 32, use the "adapt content to new size" feature when changing my pattern length, and jack my pattern lengths up to fix the speed issues. From there, it's just tweaking placement so that the D string gets "hit" before the G string, etc...

Therefore, a lower LPB and pattern length is effect, is your snap-to effect, only it's a little more manually processed. Now if there were a way to AUTOMATICALLY do all that I have mentioned, (expand the entire song based on Lines per Beat), I think you'd be able to get your accuracy, without as much hassle, and still keep the traditional tracker interface.
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ReNoise has a 'humanized' recording method that automatically records note delays reguardless of what speed/ticks per beat you've set.

It puts the note on the line closest and then adds a delay command in the panning column. It's usually pretty accurate, but it's got an option to turn it off (which I do since humanized drum and bass doesn't sound all too good to me...hahaha)

It also has a 2 features that i'm falling in love with every day that I wish psycle would steal (sounds bad to 'steal', but good ideas are good ideas, regardless of where they came from) and that's multiple note tracks that are expandable/collapsable. What I mean is that one track could be expanded to hold 4-8 notes max as necessary, and then mute-able/solo-able in the tracker view with a single click. I'm not sure if it would be practical in Psycle since in renoise, each track has effects assigned to it, rather than a flowchart chain that is attatched to the instruments all the time...in psycle, to play 3 notes on an instrument, they'd all automatically have the effects connected to it played, wheras renoise, if you spread those notes over 3 tracks, they'd have 3 different effects...Like I said, it's not NECESSARY in psycle, BUT would be nice to maybe have that option for organizing the tracker notes and maybe even having sends-style effects assignable to tracks.

The other feature I keep using (not a whole lot, but always comes in use) is the multiple effect columns...again, not necessarily required to be effective in psycle due to the tweak command, but this isn't necessarily useful for samples...i.e., adding an offset and pitchbending a single note of a sample is impossible as it stands right now. While it's not necessarily something that would be used a lot, I say, the more flexibility, the better. It's just one of those things that I'd like to know is there WHEN I need it...it, too, is expandable/collapsable so it's around only if you need it (you can even hide all note commands if you want...however, they won't play unless showing, which is a bit of a downer...)

As well, ReNoise has pattern automation which is definately nice for quick randomizing of knob twiddling. Again, the current structure of Psycle kind of makes it tough to implement or even be generally useful, but it would again be a nice addition. (it's essentially a piano roll feature but has a cursor on it for the tracker highlighted line so that you can be sure to line up your events and notes since you cannot see the note directly lined up with it via piano roll).

As for piano rolls, piano rolls are overrated and personally, I find they block creativity when I use them...since returning back to the tracker style sequencer, i've felt less constricted and end up spending less time correcting what I just input and more time continuing on with the song. As well, piano rolls do not allow infinate notes. It's just impossible with them because piano rolls automacally expect a note off...trackers say, "Dude, do what you will with this note...you've got a track open and i've got the cpu cycles...let it go on all day long."

Personal preference, though, but I feel I've used both tracker and piano roll enough to know that for me, piano rolls hurt my output. I personally vote against switching to piano roll, but as an alternative option on install or something along the lines of aero studio, I'd have no gripes. Actually, Aero Studio would be really nice if continued and had documentation...the price is a bit steep for what you actually get, imo...it's like buying a volkswagon '73 super beetle frame, engine and interior with a new beetle body and price on it. It looks really cool, but when you actually get into it, it's not all that super.

Anyway, I hope the psycle crew keeps growing and expanding psycle's features...it's already pretty damn good...



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