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From DANCEnRg on 08.02.2008, 19:31:

reverberation and the listenner

I listen 95%+/- of the time to music using headphones.

Alot of the music I hear though very good has been produced to mimic a much larger soundscape than say the natural size of my head ( about the same size as yours ) .

At the moment I'm not technically minded enough on the music technology front to understand fully how reverb is added to a non reverbed sound.

so my question is -

what would be the most practical way of dampening/reducing/removing etc some of the added reverb on music tracks.

The perfect solution that I can imagine to the above would be a lossless sound editor with the means to remove this displaced noise, without losing any of the mp3's original quality.though what I do know about mp3's I don't think thats possible, because the reverb is mixed in with the rest of the track.

so I guess if their was a way using a sound editor to remove some of the reverb then use a another effect to add back a little of the clarity I'd lose by editing a mp3 ( opened as a wave ) then recoding back to mp3 again.

or is their a plugin (reverb or headphone ) for winamp/xmplay that I could route via the streaming output so i could do the audio processing on the fly .

which leads me to another question -

I like to stream music usually using xmplay and save the mp3 for later listening.
now xmplay has a graphic equalizer that dos'nt seem to alter the recorded mp3 just the sound playing via the sound card.

is it possible to alter these streams whilst playing them.............. and this alteration be heard once i play back the saved mp3.

I'm 99% sure the answer is no because without decoding the mp3 then recoding it again thus lossing some sound.

but it dos'nt hurt to be sure


From Directionless on 09.02.2008, 23:04:


[edit BTW, I listen to all music worth listening to in headphones from a good system. That's the true way to enjoy any music IMO]

I feel like in my beginner production, I explored reverb to the hilt. now I'm more or less against using too much of it. It's not real. I like hearing notes. You can blend the various parts without trying to create an overall 'size' of the sound which is certainly arbitrary at best, for our kind of production. But something that seems to be done to please the industry standard in the more mainstream. heheh or whatever.


From DANCEnRg on 09.02.2008, 23:51:


Well reverb did'nt use to be something I thought about.But you know when your wanting to find a certain sound.....?
well I just realised whilst producing my own music that I've become very much more......? well I listen to music using some very precise ear bud style phones,similar to the ones you see musicians wearing on stage.They give are very in head sound, which I love.But with some tracks can be quite wierd because the 'in head/mind ,sound has a large reverb soundscape.

Now I've nothing against using reverb but nearly every single track I have has a.....? well lets say on a measurement of football size being small to staduim being massive.A meduim to large reverb effect.

maybe this reflects alot about where we are on a certain level.

Are many of us too busy being pre-occupied with the day to day things we do in life to have real time for nuturing the self.thus in our imaginations we are so externally forcused ( reverb ) .

question...? where does the reverb originate from.

answer.... the source our self....not selves....simply 1's self.

anyway thats my reason for wanting to hear msuic with less reverb and more attention to detail rather than gimmicks.


From TranceMyriad on 10.02.2008, 05:14:


DANCEnRg: the problem is that a lot of commercial music is mixed down and mastered on speakers, not headphones. When you listen to speakers, you are meant to sit at one point of an equilateral triangle with the speakers on the other two points i.e. your left ear will get both the sound from the left and some of the sound from the right speaker, and your right ear will get some of the sound from both speakers as well.

There is a VST plugin that simulates the 'mixing' effect of speakers (can't remember the name of it right now, will try to find it). Another alternative is to mix some of the left and right signals e.g. so that, for example, the left signal could be 70% left, 30% right, and the right signal could be 70% right and 30% left.

EDIT: Found the VST plugin:


EDIT #2: You will also find that if you mix the left and right signals of a track down to mono, you often lose a lot of the reverb effect, because of the way a lot of them are constructed (to give a 'stereo' feel).



From DANCEnRg on 15.02.2008, 14:52:


Thanks TranceMyriad I'll check out that VST and maybe try re-mastering so to speak some of my fav songs to give them a better headphone sound.

I've found a Internet radio station that tends to play more music that sounds good with headphones and it's streamed in 320 kbp :-) .

DJ pops Radio


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