Here are some great features I'd like to see in Psycle 2:

- Support for DrirectX Plugins.
- Mp3/OGG/Flac/Aac samples support.
- Support for ReWire
- Visual Automation.
- A mixer with sends.
- Mp3/OGG/Flac/Aac exporting.
- MIDI Automation.
- Nyquist support (we could take it from Audacity)
- A piano roll.
- Visual Effects (for making a sort of VideoClip).
(I will put more in the future)

But the most interesting things are HackPacks.

this packs are very simple modules for Psycle for:

- Skins (not only machine and pattern view... even toolbars and mixers)
- New functions and Plug-ins.

So Psycle won't need a lot of updates... We could just develop a HackPac (the could have .psh extension).

Will they be good ideas?

(I'm studying c++ so In a few time I will help developers)

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-Support for DirectX plugins is a bad idea. DirectX has not been developed as well as the VST architecture. Therefore, the directx architecture would become to problematical to implement. Besides the fact that there are only a handful of plugins solely in directx format - it wouldn't be worth it.

-Mp3/Ogg/aif support, in my opinion, wouldn't be a bad idea.

-Rewire support would be nice

-visual automation- yep, sounds good

-Nyquist support ? Aren't there enough plugins already ?

-A piano roll is a good idea, though not essential

-Videoclip is a bad idea. You don't want psycle to ever be accused of bloatware.

-Hackpacks is a good idea.

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Some of my thoughts on these suggestions

" - Support for DrirectX Plugins.
- Mp3/OGG/Flac/Aac samples support."

Useful but probably not important, directX only plugins aren't very prolific and I've heard they're less stable...and I can't see lossy samples as being important(look at the crap that comes with FLS to see what I mean). It's not a bad idea at all, it'd make the program more universally usable...I just don't think it's a priority.

"- Support for ReWire"

Would be very very nice, however IIRC it's difficult to get a ReWire licence(are there even any free apps that have it? It's not as though it's not there because no one's thought of it...). Although I can't imagine why they'd make it so, lack of ReWire support in trackers is probably the biggest reason I'd never get Reason <_< I can't stand it's sequencing interface, and lack of tempo automation is bad.. anyway yeah, this is something I'd really like, I'm just skeptical of it's possibility =/

"- Visual Automation."

Not sure exactly what this means?

"- A mixer with sends."

I think it's easy enough to manage with the current interface, but I can see how some others would want it. Couldn't this be implemented as a pluginI know buzz had a mixer or maybe more, not sure how it worked or whatnot though since I never got into it...)

"- Mp3/OGG/Flac/Aac exporting."

Would be nice but it's also easy enough to do it externally. Good idea but not so high on the wishlist IMO

"- MIDI Automation."

Would be nice.

"- Nyquist support (we could take it from Audacity)"

How widely used is this plugin format exactly? Audacity is the only place I've ever heard of it from, so I can't really see the importance.

"- A piano roll."

I'm somewhat neutral, it may be hard to integrate it into the tracker interface I think? It can be very helpful, but I think other things(like a dedicated volume column) would be nicer at the moment.

"- Visual Effects (for making a sort of VideoClip)."

I can't see it as being all that useful...

"HackPacks."

Good idea.

While we're on the subject of future features, probably my only real problem with psycle right now is the lack of a volume column. I do however have a few more minor suggestions myself that I think would be really useful

-hex translator, would be very useful both for newbies with no idea what they're doing or for intermediates who sort of know but need percise numbers quickly. Something like buzz's where it showed the decimal of the currently highlighted number on the bottom bar would be nice.

- beats per bar, currently it highlights the first of four beats automattically, control over the highlighted beats would be a nice productivity helper...currently I tend to just change the color to the same as the normal beats when working in irregular time signatures

maybe some idea's to keep in mind if you get into developing psycle(gl with that btw!).

Visual automation would be nice, and a piano roll view would make Psycle much more accessible I think. Aodix has a nice implementation of both a similar tracker interface and a piano roll view simultaneously.
MIDI automation could be useful, yes...

I don't know about the rest of the ideas. OGG etc work can be done externally so I don't think we should try to cram this kind of functionality in a software that's supposed to send notes to sound generators...

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"- Support for ReWire"

Would be very very nice, however IIRC it's difficult to get a ReWire licence(are there even any free apps that have it? It's not as though it's not there because no one's thought of it...). Although I can't imagine why they'd make it so, lack of ReWire support in trackers is probably the biggest reason I'd never get Reason <_< I can't stand it's sequencing interface, and lack of tempo automation is bad.. anyway yeah, this is something I'd really like, I'm just skeptical of it's possibility =/

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Other Ideas:

- Support for Beast/BSE instruments...
- Freeze Synth (Bouncing of track)...
- A P2P song exchanging (only for Psycledelics members)

For the PianoRoll I have a little idea...

It could be like Psycle Tracker (so vertical) and the notes have different colors... Different Colors are different instruments...

//Visual Automation//

Better known as Automation Clips!

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Good,Psycle Is on the verge of being a Fully proffesional tool.
Psycle 2 Should Have Following Things:-
1)No Crashing please.
2)An Arpegiattor Knob in every instrument needed and is a must.
3)More Presets For Every Instruments.
4)Mastering Plugins.
5)Gate,Flanger,Reverse,Filter Effects Needed Too.
6)Piano PLugin needed.
7)Step Sequencer.
Piano Roll.
9)String PLugin.
10)Faster Start-up.
11)Comaptability For Working With Synth-Edit PLugins.
12)And Last But Not the Least A Vocoder Plugin If Possible.

1)No Crashing please.
-the devs are working on that...too many things makes psycle crash.

2)An Arpegiattor Knob in every instrument needed and is a must.
-some machines already have arpeggiator,hmm could be nice...

3)More Presets For Every Instruments.
-we always thought about that and i also thought about open a section on the wiki where everybody can be able to add his own presets which they want to share....

4)Mastering Plugins.
-interesting thing but depending what you really mean,if you want compressors and EQ or maximixer or something like professional ones for mastering,i guess it is a big problem...

5)Gate,Flanger,Reverse,Filter Effects Needed Too.
-i agree for gate and other filters but we already have a flanger and for reverse i dont know what you mean...for samples psycle already have reverse anyway!

6)Piano PLugin needed.
-hmm really nice i have thought about that something like mdapiano,anyone?

7)Step Sequencer.
-for what?

8 ) Piano Roll.
-personally i dont need it but i know someone like it ....

9)String PLugin.
-you can use phantom for that maybe is the best one for strings....

10)Faster Start-up.
-already talked with devs,i hope they will fix it soon....

11)Comaptability For Working With Synth-Edit PLugins.
-psycle with new vsthost will be really stable with synthedit plugins,i have tried a lof of synthedit plugins on the vsthost JosepMa are working on and they are very stable!

12)And Last But Not the Least A Vocoder Plugin If Possible.
-vocoder are always cpu-hungry on psycle,but could be nice to have a simple one...something like mdavocoder that works quite good on psycle....

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Good,Psycle Is on the verge of being a Fully proffesional tool.
Psycle 2 Should Have Following Things:-
1)No Crashing please.
2)An Arpegiattor Knob in every instrument needed and is a must.
3)More Presets For Every Instruments.
4)Mastering Plugins.
5)Gate,Flanger,Reverse,Filter Effects Needed Too.
6)Piano PLugin needed.
7)Step Sequencer.
Piano Roll.
9)String PLugin.
10)Faster Start-up.
11)Comaptability For Working With Synth-Edit PLugins.
12)And Last But Not the Least A Vocoder Plugin If Possible.

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The most important thing is that 2.0 will be stable.
I lost already 40 % of my songs because of crashes.

The devs are doing a great job and i think to put too many
features inside psycle will make it crash more and more.
The people should consider this if they want a lot not
important features.
A really stable vst host is the most important because
there are 100+ fantastic free plugins available.
The vst host got much better in the last time and i hope
it is going to be rock solid in 20.

8 oranges 8

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The most important thing is that 2.0 will be stable.
I lost already 40 % of my songs because of crashes.

The devs are doing a great job and i think to put too many
features inside psycle will make it crash more and more.
The people should consider this if they want a lot not
important features.
A really stable vst host is the most important because
there are 100+ fantastic free plugins available.
The vst host got much better in the last time and i hope
it is going to be rock solid in 20.

8 oranges 8

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To me asking for a piano roll in a tracker is like asking a car company to give you a bike with your new car. They're both good and serve a purpose but they don't really belong in the same package.

My only big problem with the current version is stability but it looks like that is soon to be remedied.

Stbility i think will arive with upcoming 1.8.5!

By the way.. a piano-roll is easier for normal musicians...
So it could be an improvement for next versions and making psycle adaptable to the peronality of the user (do you undersant what i mean?)

Nut what you thin of Support For Beast/BSE instruments?

Beast is a powerful synthesis tool for linux... And you can make good instrum/eff with this Synthesis tool (it's like synthedit but gpl).

Psycle could take a lot of advantages with a wrapper for these plug-ins

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I'll let alone piano roll and multi-pattern (lots to say here though)

With usability in mind, about the pattern editor my main wishes (still the same ) are :
- the ability to 'zip' tracks together if needed
- the ability to name tracks to have better overview of what track does what (for those who use one track exclusivly for one machine), or even different give color schemes to tracks
- the ability to exchange tracks data, like it already existed in Impulse Tracker (for the pattern, or for the whole song)

Concerning the machine view :
- ability to 'zip' (here too ) machines linked together in a kind of 'container'
- ability to save these 'containers' as presets

Miscelanous :
- better preset management (full fxp/fxb compatibility for vsts)
- a drum pad (16 ticks pattern based machine)

I'm sure i have more but that'll do for now

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What do you mean by "zipping" tracks up ?

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i mean the ability to group them and hide them, reducing their size together (say grouping 4 or 5 tracks to the size of 1 only), only for a better view in the pattern editor

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cool.. but 1.8.5... I haven't got news since June... Is it stuck?

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OMG!!! IF THEIR WAS A PIANO ROLL, IDE USE THIS MORE THEN FL!
PIANO ROLL = GOOD FOR DOING REMAKES!
the tracker part is better 4 drums, but omg! piano roll! its sweet!
having both would make this better then fl!

so far ive only been able to find commercial (a la fl-studio_) products taht have a piano roll and pattern sequencer together. (except for lmms, which wont run on my linux computer http://lmms.sf.net/ ih you have tips on how to get it to compile properly, please pm me)

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piano roll does not fit anywhere near psycle.

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piano roll does not fit anywhere near psycle.

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